In which I look over ridiculous anon comments

[azrathelibrarian]

So I've been leery about this little vent because an author responding to critics is always tricky ground to cover. So many Suethors lash out at perfectly reasonable criticisms, resorting to wanky tantrums and petty unsubtle Take Thats--so addressing critical reviews can come off as Suethor behavior/looking like you can't take criticism, even if it's mostly levelheaded and no "Return of Slade" or "Lady in the Water."

However, I decided to go ahead with it for a few reasons:

1) Keeping things all bottled up all the time isn't the best idea and I need to vent sometime.
2) Critics are no more always right and always valid than authors are; not all feedback has merit. Stupid, pointless flames do exist.
3) It's my personal journal, I can use it as I wish.

So, without further ado, awhile back I got a spate of anonymous unsigned reviews, mostly on AO3 but a couple on FFN as well. (You know, you could at least have the courage to sign your comments--I would certainly leave harsh or critical reviews under my own user handles!) And, well, it seems this lovely anon had a few... grievances with how I wrote, shall we say. Said grievances seem to be... completely petty, unfounded, and not actually over anything I'm not writing well. There's actually quite a bit of snark bait in here!

Let's dig in, shall we?

You know, it's kind of funny that you bitched so much about quest recaps when this is basically one, except with a little window dressing.

Way to miss the point (intentionally, I'm sure) about what I was "bitching" about. Fanfics that cover canon events are nothing new; it all depends on what new perspectives can be added to the scenes and how you can go into characterization that the source material didn't touch on. I never said it was bad to cover quest events in fanfic; I was specifically talking about lazy quest recaps that make zero changes and no attempt to delve into characterization. Here's one, picked at random off FFN:

Shearing the sheep…

As I entered the Lumbridge farm I had a difficult time trying to find the farmer. Upon entering his home he asked if I was willing to work for some money. I was so excited to be given the opportunity to be able to work! He told me that I needed to head over the sheep and get 20 bags of wool. The wool could only be black! Again having difficulty locating the sheep I turned to my friend to help me to get to the location so I could start my quest. I hopped the fence and headed into the pen. There were sheep of all kinds there. Some black and some white. I had to remember what the farmer asked of me. He said only black. I began shearing the black sheep. It was hot. I was ambitious at first but after awhile I became tired. I chased the sheep all around until I was able to get all 20. I headed back to see the farmer and collected my money! Quest Complete. Onto my next adventure…..

Yep. That's actually the entire "story."

Or how about this one?

I have entered this mysterious world called Runescape. This world has me baffled! The people I encounter seem to speak my language and yet they make little sense to me. Fortunately, I discovered a map that has helped me navigate this place. Using the map has helped me moved through a place called Lumbridge. Within Lumbridge there are many people that require much assistance. I met a cook at the castle that required very specific ingredients for a dish he was making for a noble. I attempted to help him procure those ingredients, however, I fear he will never ask me to assist him again! The super egg was the least difficult to procure, but while attempting to get the milk I was met with great frustration. This cook is just too picky! Four times he rejected my milk supply! I finally located the exact cow with the special milk for the cook. Then the biggest challenge – trying to mill the wheat for the flour. What a challenge! It just about did me in! I shall continue to work for the great people of Lumbridge, however, that cook shall never again see my face!

Yes, those single, bland, beige-prose paragraphs are what several people in the RS section of FFN saw fit to consider fanfic, saw fit to clutter the archive with. You cannot even compare anything I've done to this lazy-ass shit. Whatever failings and flaws my stuff might have, at least I make an actual effort to make things fresh and interesting. The "window dressing" you speak of is what other writers would call "making a damned effort to flesh out the characters so as not to produce a lazy, more boring copy of the source material."

The remainder of this particular comment is just the anon complaining about how they don't like Zaros. Okay, so you don't like a fictional character. Big deal. A lot of people dislike fictional characters.

This next comment was left on FFN, but I've got the sinking feeling it's the same anon as on AO3, just trying to poorly disguise themselves:

Well, while the very thought of a Mahjarrat coupling with a human makes me want to barf, I have to admit, this reads just like some of my fav Harlequin Romance novels! Kudos to you!

(Also, uh, who uses the word 'lemonade' nowadays? Just say smut, ffs, this isn't 2003 anymore. You can own up to the fact that you like to write porn of your character, you know?)

Ah, Harlequin, probably this anon's favorite phrase--aside from "Baww Zaros sucks," but we'll be getting into that soon enough. And if you're not a fan of interspecies romance, why are you even here? You can own up to having bile fascination if that's the answer, you know. I certainly admit to having bile fascination; that's why I'm a snarker/sporker.

We got our first particularly juicy comment coming right up:

Jaina perfectly fits the part of the meek, submissive, clumsy, subservient woman in a romance novel, who just only appears to be independent, but really needs a Strong Man to help her out. (Actually, in a sense, she reminds me of Bella Swan. Which, you know. Not the best thing in the world!) I understand you may be trying to write a Shy Girl With a Crush, but that's not how it comes off.

I like the part with Vargas, I do have to admit (his first wife's name is Elsa? ...Why did you choose a Hebrew name for a Fremennik woman? Is...Elsa...even Fremennik?) But Azzanadra's part made me snort my drink up my nose.

Why in the world would a Mahjarrat find a human woman beautiful? Respecting someone, respecting their prowess in battle, their intelligence - all of that is certainly very reasonable. Maybe even appreciating the aesthetic beauty of a person would make a little sense when it comes to a Mahjarrat. Mahjarrat don't love - can't love - as humans can. That is canon.

(I'm not sure why anyone would find Jaina beautiful, as she's just very...blah to me. But, you know, you do you.)

And would you look at that. More bitching about what other people enjoy writing! Good god.

1) So you call me out for "bitching" about tropes I dislike because "other people enjoy writing" them... while continuously bitching about me enjoying writing about characters you dislike. The irony is delicious.

Well, I gotta hand it to you, dear anon--you've thoroughly destroyed all your credibility on your own; I don't even have to try!

2) Elsa is also a Nordic name. Are you also going to complain that Frozen's Elsa has a Hebrew name in a Scandinavian-esque setting? And yes, I was deliberately referencing Frozen's Elsa.

3) Citation needed. Enakhra has stated several times that she romantically loves Zamorak. She may have backpedaled during DAT, but that may have been an attempt to save face, or she may well be in denial about it. And before you go "Waaa, Postbags don't count!" she very clearly stated in TWW that she thought personally killing Guthix would impress Zammy enough for him to take her as "his closest companion"--i.e. as a lover.

3.5) Now, this might not have come across well since I didn't build up to the romance slowly over the course of several stories--and my oldest stuff is a bit unpolished--but he would not have become attracted to her physically if not for her prowess, capabilities, and impressive deeds. I did realize that part needed a bit of editing--on my own after rereading my older writing, without your oh-so-helpful feedback.

4) I actually designed Jaina to be the cute kind of pretty--fitting given my shoujo art style and my fondness for girly cartoons. Of course, I'm also into the Beast and Beauty trope, so I like how she contrasts with Azzanadra appearance-wise. To continue from 3.5, her cuteness would not be physically appealing to a Mahjarrat at first glance--I believe they'd be more likely to prefer more muscular, Amazon-ish, or battle-scarred women, given what Mahjarrat women look like.

5) Ah, Twilight comparisons, like those aren't older hat than Azzanadra's "bunny ears" at this point. Bella Swan was a selfish, pretentious, faux-humble gold-digger whose sole aspiration was to be hawt and rich forever, gave zero shits about her friends and family, and was deliberately passive and refused to lift a finger to do anything. Please, do tell me what Jaina did that reminded you of any of that?

6) And how is she a subservient woman dependent on Her Man? Because she's shy? Because she can't spit it out? Because she decides to confide in her father-in-law for help? Because she isn't 100% sure of what she wants to do next? Oh, I'm sure most seventeen-year-olds with crushes are completely positive and confident about how to approach said crush, particularly if the crush in question is an older man, and especially if it's an older man in a position of power or authority! Even moreso if entering such a relationship would potentially have hugely serious consequences! A seventeen-year-old girl would never, ever be confused about or go into a state of denial about that! Certainly not one who's already been through a whole lot of shit and has to worry about keeping her freaking religion secret, either! Nope, only weak-willed, weepy Harlequin damsels approach relationships with anything but full confidence and eagerness! The best way to be a Strong Inderpenderp Wimmenz is to be a completely thoughtless moron, apparently!

Oh, but that was just the icing on the cake... onto the next comment!

This shit makes me like Jaina. A lot. Girl's got a good head on her shoulders, smart, kind (worrying about the people of Dorgesh-Kaan? Mega kudos to her, and for the little things she thinks of), etc.

I like her skill with Divination, and the scenes with her pets? Fucking ADORABLE. More RS writers should include their in-game pets in their stories.

Also, I like that she's essentially staying out of the battle, and the resulting tugs in her conscience that come from it. She doesn't care about either god, but recognizes that bad stuff is going down, and curses her inability (unwillingness? something along those lines...) to help out. Curses her fear. That makes me like her a little bit more. Girl has some issues.

And then more Zaros boot-licking and bullshit. and boring ass OCs. Honestly. Why have any OCs at all if you can't make them interesting? (And more fanatical Zarosians god kill me now)

Write more stories about //Jaina//. Not about her really boring "Luv Story with Azzanadra" but about her life. Her skills. Her adventures. That's the interesting stuff.

And maybe then I'll be able to think of her as the World Guardian, not just a scared, overly meek little girl playing at the role.

So you like it when my character shows selflessness and concern for others... but not when she shows concern for the characters you don't like. You like seeing her confused, afraid, and conflicted about situations she doesn't know what to do about... except when she's confused and conflicted about having a crush on a character you don't like and awkward around her crush because of it, then she's a weak worthless little Harlequin damsel who needs a man to live. Got it.

You know, dear anon, you're not the only one who dislikes certain characters. I can't stand the Godless faction. At all. I find them obnoxious, annoying, overbearing, and misguided, and Kara-Meir needs a boot to the head and a lesson in what clothes are. However, when I read a very pro-Godless fic that paired Ariane and a male World Guardian, I didn't leave a bunch of reviews screaming, "How dare your character support the Godless! Stop with this Godless boot-licking and bullshit! The Godless suck, Guthix sucks too, and Kara-Meir's a whorebag! Why did you turn Ariane into a fanatical Godless lunatic, kill me now!" You know why?

Because I understand that not everyone likes and dislikes the same fictional characters.

I seriously do not care if some fans don't like Zaros or the Zarosians. They just happen to be the characters I personally like best. If you take such umbrage with someone merely liking fictional freaking characters that you don't... maybe, just maaaaaybe, I'm not the problem?

Besides, had I done that, you'd surely rage at me for "bitching about characters other people like," wouldn't you? (And no, Kara-Meir isn't a whore, just annoying and unlikable. Calling female characters sluts and whores will never not be incredibly moronic.)

So you think I've got a boring Romantic Plot Tumor on my hands, huh? And you want to hear about Jaina's adventures? It is true that my later stuff is considerably more substantial in terms of stuff happening than my earlier stuff, but I thought you said I shouldn't "rewrite quests with window dressing!" And the romance is hardly conflict-free sunshine and roses, nor is it Perfectly Perfect Soulbonding Better-Than-You Twoo Wuv. The romance is one of the primary sources of freaking conflict I've got going here, and it adds a dimension that canon lacks.

Also, maybe the reason she seems to be a scared little girl playing at the role of World Guardian... is because she was forced into it? And doesn't want to fulfill the task Guthix demanded of her? And is barely eighteen? And has to contend with freaking gods she never expected to personally meet? Just a thought...

The next two comments go hand in hand, since they were on a two-parter.

Oh thank the gods, JAINA ACTUALLY HAS POWER! IT'S A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE.

I loved the way you incorporated the clue scrolls. (GIVE ME YOUR LUCK JAINA PLEASE, I BEG OF YOU)

The scene with the Zamorakian spy getting his ass handed to him? I nearly lost it, I was laughing so hard. That is some hilarious comedy right there.

...oh. It's Azzanadra. That's just...great. Lovely. More timid, nervous Jaina trying to both please and look fine for her master-I mean, her lover. Wonderful. *long sigh*

So being shy and dressing up for someone you're courting makes your love interest your master and you a slave. Such logic, many sound. Maybe if you actually had examples to back up your assertions, I might think this was halfway credible and rethink what I initially wrote.

The pets saved this chapter. Honestly. Write more about them, not the cringe-worthy and vaguely abusive/coercive relationship between Azzanadra and Jaina. If you're going to write Mahjarrat/Human, you need to make sure it's somewhat mutually respectful and equal, otherwise it's just creepy and disturbing.

And that poor spy. He's going to need some major therapy, LOL. (don't blame him, though)

Please, do tell me how it's coercive-abusive. Does he make demands of her with no regard to her wishes? Does he try to keep her away from her friends? Does he monitor and try to control everything she does? Does he gaslight and guilt-trip her? Enlighten me, oh wise anon. If you're going to critique a fanfic, you need to make sure you provide in-text evidence for your claims, otherwise you're just making assertions that may confuse the author and not being very helpful.

I've sporked quite a few Suefics and I think a lot of the Suethors don't realize that their hero/ines are acting like idiots or assholes, or that they wrote things with unfortunate implications. But if you don't specify what the failures or unfortunate implications are, the writer might still remain ignorant of the source of the problem.

And now for the big one--gotta save the best for last, after all! This one has to be picked through line by line.

Well, this was the single most painful smut thing I've ever read in my entire life. I think my vagina cringed.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Honey. Go read this fic where Zimzams randomly decides to get it on with a nameless Sue. Go read the Sword Art Online light novel. Hell, head to the Undertale fic archive and go read any smutfic involving Sans or Papyrus. Then tell me with a straight face that I produced the cringiest attempt at a smut thing ever. And I merely scratched the surface of cringetastic with those examples!

Also, if you're going to write smut, please leave the damn gods out of it. Jaina praying to Zaros brings to mind thoughts of "Lie back and think of England."

Because religious people totally never pray in times of uncertainty or apprehension, and never, ever pray for a deity to bless their unions. What madness is this?

"Zaros has promised that my loyalty will not go unrewarded… perhaps that reward will be you."
That's literally the single most creepy thing I've ever read and it is setting off so many alarm bells. She's not a fucking object, for the love of everything good and bright in this world. She's a woman with her own thoughts and feelings, for god's sake. And why the fuck is she so goddamn submissive and meek and timid? Does she even know her own mind? Can she?

Why is she so timid? Oh, I don't know, could it be because she was in denial and conflicted about her feelings for a long time and was freaking royally traumatized twice over in rapid succession? Could it be because she believed Azzanadra would never be interested in her and was surprised that something she never thought possible was coming up? Could it be because he holds a position of power and authority and she doesn't feel worthy of him or like his equal? Could it be because she realizes this decision will have significant consequences which she has to consider? What, do you want her to be eagerly/aggressively throwing herself at him and/or completely gung-ho about becoming involved with him with zero qualms whatsoever? The fact that they are equal partners is a lesson Jaina has to learn; it'd be a cheap tactic to have her understand and accept it out of the blue in two seconds.

And at no point in this entire thing does he own or possess her. He encouraged her to be honest with him, asked her if romantic and sexual involvement was what she truly wanted, and she agreed. She is ultimately the one to consent and decide for herself what she wanted to do. He could have simply overpowered her with physical strength or used magic to bind her, stating in no uncertain terms that she was to be his and she must do unquestioningly as he asked--and if he did wish to own or possess her, why would he not have? Lucien might've even been like that with Moia's mother! Yet he actually bothered to show concern for her and take her wishes into account.

"Azzanadra… For the first time since Guthix's chambers… I-I'm happy… and I feel like I can face the future bravely…'"
Translation: Now that Jaina finally got the Mahjarrat Dick(tm), she can become a good Stepford Smiler Housewife of Zaros, without a discerning thought of her own in her head.

Precisely how is she brainwashed or a housewife? Where did I write her deciding to give up adventuring to become Ms. Domestic? When did Azzanadra ever want her to become one? Why the hell would he even be interested in a human housewife who does nothing but cook and clean? Again, she made the decision on her own. She did, indeed, have agency. Unless you're implying that all Zarosians are just brainwashed zombies who can't think for themselves, in which case you're just going on more about how someone else liking characters you hate is some kind of heinous crime. Newsflash--people in Gielinor can freely choose to follow Zaros just like any other god. And if you were going to bring up his loyalty aura, would you also claim that all Serenists are just brainwashed crystal meth addicts incapable of any self-agency or thoughts of their own?

If your earlier comments weren't proof that you were just throwing trope names and phrases around to sound like a Sooper Smurt Kritik (TM), this one certainly proves that's the case. This is Insane Troll Logic at its finest.

Also, more icky and painful interspecies Heterosexual Sex! And creepy OOC!Azzanadra. Because that's always fun.

Do enlighten me about what was so icky and where I missed the mark on characterization. Oh, wait, you're not gonna even try, you just throw around baseless assertions without ever backing up a single claim because real critique is too haaaard! How could I ever forget.

(This is literally Twilight: RuneScape edition. If Azzy starts watching Jaina while she sleeps, I'm going to shoot him in the kneecaps. With an RPG)

Translation: BAWW! I HATE THIS CHARACTER SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A TWILIGHT COMPARISON, BAWW! I TOTALLY KNOW ALL ABOUT TWILIGHT, I SWEAR!

Well, dear Twilight expert, Edturd Sullen was a perpetually grumpy coward who thought solely of murdering people and how much better than everyone else he was, but was too big of a yellow-bellied weenie to actually do shit. While he was rough and rapey, Bella was the one who was sexually aggressive and demanding--and she actually liked the rough sex. Also, what everyone who makes Twilight comparisons ever conveniently forgets is that they were mutually assholish and abusive to each other. Yes, Edturd was controlling and demanding, but Bella was just as much so, constantly demanding that she be vampirized or that he sleep with her already. I encourage you to read Das Mervin's in-depth sporks of all four books before you attempt making Twilight comparisons to anything again. Yes, that includes 50SoG comparisons.

Oh wait, I forgot, it's an interspecies romance you don't like, so it totally counts as being exactly like Twilight!

And you know what impression I get after all this, oh Sooper Smartikal Kritik (TM) Anon? I have a teensy bit of a hunch that you wouldn't be posturing and bloviating about any of this if Jaina had gotten involved with a character you do like, or supported whatever religious faction you do like. I don't know why, just a funny feeling in the back of my head! Well, have fun reading that Zimzams fic and that SAO love scene--I'm sure you'll have a scathing Sooper Smartikal In-Derp Kriteek for those too, right?

Well, the dear anon hasn't left any more oh-so-erudite comments on my other stuff, so my venting/snark here is done. Catch you later; this totally exactly like Twilight with a Harlequin heroine who's brainwashed because she supports and befriends certain other characters stuff doesn't write itself, you know? Though I would appreciate actual substantial feedback that highlights any missteps I make, so I can improve.

Comments

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So many Suethors lash out at perfectly reasonable criticisms, resorting to wanky tantrums and petty unsubtle Take Thats--so addressing critical reviews can come off as Suethor behavior/looking like you can't take criticism.

I know what you mean. I’ve been cussed at by suethors on fanfiction.net.

I got a spate of anonymous unsigned reviews, mostly on AO3 but a couple on FFN as well.

But not on DeviantART, where you have to sign in if you wanna comment, where anyone can respond to you and everyone can see your comments, which allows for debate and discussion. Why doesn't he want to sign in and comment so you or anyone else can reply on a public forum where everyone can see it? Does he think he's going to make a fool of himself? Or does he think his comments have nothing to stand on when they're up against facts? Or is it pure cowardice?

The remainder of this particular comment is just the anon complaining about how they don't like Zaros.

Someone’s writing fics about an NPC I don’t like?

REEEEEEEEE!



I have to admit, this reads just like some of my fav Harlequin Romance novels! Kudos to you!

Hahahahahahahaha! (http://i.imgur.com/nBu8MVp.mp4)

Oh darling, I don't think you know what a Harlequinn (Mills and Boon across the pond) is. Let me show you then. Ladies, gentlemen, genderqueer, genderfluid, polygender, non-binary SJWs of all ages, I present to you, Runescape: the harlequinn edition!

In Year 169 of the Fifth Age, 17 year old Jaina Katarn had everything a person in Misthalin could dream of. With her long, silky violet hair like violets, sparkling silver eyes, creamy skin soft and delicate as porcelain, and slender hourglass body, she was easily the world's most beautiful woman. She was a lady of the court from a powerful noble family and she was betrothed to the handsome Sir Julian Horacio, son to Duke Horacio and heir to the Arcop Hall, better known as the Lumbridge castle. However, a trip to the Varrock museum during a tourney to celebrate King Roald's nameday changed all that. At the museum, Jaina caught the eye piercing blue eyes, of Dr. Nabanik, the quiet, brooding, troubled but cute, sexy bad boy archaeologist of the museum. He was like sexy, really, really sexy, like so-beautiful-you-forget-to-breathe-with-one-look-at-him sexy, with his tousled red hair that shone in the sunlight, icy blue eyes, and body that was ripped like a Greek statue. After her encounter, she realised the kind, reasonable, reliable, funny Sir Julian was a total boring beta boy while Dr. Nabanik was alpha as fuck, yet she knew she had to do her duty, so she tried to forget about him but she couldn't. Little does she know, Nabanik felt the same way, but he wasn't about to let what he wanted get away from him, so he murders Sir Julian, makes it look like an accident, and he takes her before she could be wed. Their night was rough yet passionate, and the euphoria Jaina felt when this alpha male dominated her...oh my...it was nothing like she'd ever felt, and it was pleasure she'd give her own skin to feel again. They do it again several times, where Dr. Nabanik stuck his...impressive length into Jaina's...down there. Soon enough, he reveals his dark secret to her, he's not human...he's actually a sexy mahjarrat who once Lord Regent of the greatest empire ever known to man, until Zamorak overthrew his master, the God Emperor Zaros and imprisoned him in a pyramid.

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He wants to bring his master back, so he could take back his kingdom, and Azzanadra could be Lord Regent again, but this time Jaina would be his Lady. He formulates a plan, and has Jaina's brother, Sir Henry Katarn, along with their parents Lord Daelin and Lady Phryna killed, so Jaina would inherit Lyonhall Court, the family keep. She does, and she commands the knights sworn to serve her house to find everything Azzanadra needs to make contact with Zaros. While they do that, Jaina and Azzanadra so what they do best--happy fun sexy time. They succeed, and Azzanadra speaks to Zaros, who wants to have Azzanadra to gather up an army to re-take Misthalin, including Varrock, Lumbridge, Draynor, Edgeville and even Morytania, so they do that. Azzanadra gathers bandits, Wahi, and Akthanakos, while Jaina orders the knights sworn to House Katarn to fight for Zaros' cause and she uses her money to buy an army of sellswords. Before Azzanadra went off to battle, Jaina gave him a lady's favour--her necklace. The pathetic human armies of Misthalin were no match for three mahjarrats, and soon, even Drakan and Vanescula fell. Zaros then orders them to use their army to take Asgarnia, followed by Kandarin, which they did. Finally, Zaros orders Azzanadra to make him a new body, so he could rule his new empire, but Azzanadra tells him to fuck off and die. Turns out Jaina's Magical...Down There™ changed him into a completely different person, he was no longer loyal to his One True God Emperor, now he wants to rule in his own right, so he kills Zaros' incorporeal form and absorbs his powers, turning him into a god. He then uses his new powers to turn Jaina immortal, making her into his Eternal Empress. They have mindblowing awesome sex for all eternity. Oh, and after a birth scene that makes Breaking Dumb look like disney, they get two powerful yet cute divine half-jarrat kids. And then they have more sex.

The end.

See? That's what a Runescape Azzanadra/World Guardian would look like. Now all we needs is a cover with a sexy shirtlesss Azzy showing off his chiseled abs..

Elsa is also Nordic name.

Right, and it makes sense for Fremennik to have Nordic names since they're basically the Runescape equivalent of Vikings.

I actually designed Jaina to be the cute kind of pretty.

I think you succeeded. Jaina is cute. Not seductive and sexy, like a certain redhead in-game I love, but cute...like Moka Akashiya (http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z5/kuchiki_cutie_101/1_800597552l.jpg), who also has those tareme (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TaremeEyes?from=Main.Tareme) shojo eyes.

No, ficverse Jaina isn't anything like Bella. This first guy clearly confused her with my Harlequinn parody version (who is indeed a Proper Lady who needs a man, and would pick him over...everything and isn't much of a fighter, though it does make sense who her to be all those things), I didn't even think was possible, because my parody didn't even exist when he wrote that comment.

Here's the deal with the first guy, he doesnt like how Jaina currently is, because there's not enough gril power. He doesn't want just "strong female characters™," no...he wants "strong female characters™" that constantly shove "muh gril power" down our throats, characters like Taurihell, MaRey Sue, and from what I've seen so far, all fucking four of the 2016 Ghostbusters reboot. He's knee deep in SJW indoctrination, he wants them all to be annoying, suicidal (yes Rey I'm looking at you, at that part where you wouldn't hold Finn's hand to get away from an explosion because "herp derp, muh gril power"), Mary Sues with no weaknesses (hello again, Rey), break the already established canon (yes Taurihell, this time I'm talking about you) and are so obviously created with a PC agenda in mind that watching them in action is just...painful. He doesn't want people with their own arcs, weaknesses and character development...no...he wants something that echoes his PC narrative. It's plain and simple as that.

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I've seen this all the time on Tumblr and Buzzfeed, and I can tell you, this guy shares that SJW mentality.

On to the second guy.

However, when I read a very pro-Godless fic that paired Ariane and a male World Guardian..

Wait, what? Where is this?

Second comment is mostly this guy going "This writer's writing and praising NPCs I don't like! REEEEEEEE! Bring out the angry pepe frogs!"

He's just salty that you dared to write good things about characters he didn't like. For some reason, he thought you were writing for people like him, as opposed to writing whatever interested you. Not much to see here, is there?

On to the third, most canerous comment. If you didn't MST it Azra, it would've given me all these diseases (https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/1l1e3j/my_reply_to_a_stupid_comment/).

More timid, nervous Jaina trying to both please and look fine for her master-I mean, her lover. Wonderful. *long sigh*

Wut.

If you think wanting to look good for your love interest="muh slavery" you might have some form of mental retardation, or you're just another progressive whose very ideology involves mental gymnastics, because aside from being completely retarded, that's the only way one can go from wanting to look good straight to...whatever conclusion the reviewer arrived at.

Well, this was the single most painful smut thing I've ever read in my entire life. I think my vagina cringed.

You don't know cringe, sweetheart. You merely adopted the cringe. I was born in it, I was raised in the depths of r/cringeanarchy, molded by the place that mocks furries, weeaboos, bronies, SJWs, atheists, vapers, Chris-chan, 9gag, nostalgiafags, delusional artists, hood rats, cucks, edgelords, everyone...even an OC I made. I've seen the worst of the worst, what do you know of the cringe, my sweet summer child? I've seen things that would make your skin crawl, your stomach sick, and your mind scream for brain bleach, I've seen things that would give your SJW self what you pussies call PTSD. Remember this, you are nothing but an insect, a tiny insignificant speck in the greater scheme of things.

Well...if the first guy was an SJW, the third one was even more...SJWy. To put things in perspective, if the first guy was Big Red (https://67.media.tumblr.com/6ddd54f55404c5000e156b0542cc12e3/tumblr_mzk2rrNT5g1sek2a3o1_500.gif), the third is Trigglypuff (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY1H1rZL53I). They even do the same kind of mental gymnastics, Trigglypuff thinks free speech is loudly heckling someone else speech, interrupting and silencing them, this new guy girl somehow confused Jaina/Azzanadra with Ana/Chrischan Grey despite all texual evidence pointing in the other direction.

That's from Culture Shock.

That's from Waiting For The Lord's Return Part 2.

Now, my dear SJW, what were you saying again?

Edit: what's up with the weird screenshot sizing?

[deathnoteuser07.livejournal.com]

What can I say that I haven't said before in response to the first guy? This third SJW is obviously salty at the fact that Jaina dared to be human, she dared to show vulnerability, she wasn't a mouthpiece for the SJW's brand of "gril power." I'm not surprised to be honest, SJWs put everyone into a box, they have a specific set of guidelines on how they should act, and if you step out of bounds or disagree, they give you shit. (https://i.sli.mg/fz8LUt.png)

Now I know why they didn't come to DeviantART, they didn't want you responding and stumping them with facts. That's why they're being such cowards and staying anonymous, they know on some level deep down that their arguments were weak, so they don't dare to say it it on a signed in account, where they can easily be proven wrong and everyone would see it. It's kind of a shame you couldn't reply to them directly on fanfiction.net ( I know that site only lets you respond to reviews with private messages that no one else would see) or AO3, would've been great to have them stumped in public, 'cause that's what these cowardly SJWs fear the most--having their faulty claims proven wrong in public, and my philosophy on dealing with them is if they try to get you, you hit back twice as hard.

Don't be too turned off by their comments, where I come from on Reddit, they say that if you've managed to trigger SJWs, you're doing something right.

[azralibrarian.livejournal.com]

I'm pretty sure all these comments came from the exact same anon. They all came on the exact same day at the same time and use the same phrases over and over. There were actually a couple other anon comments left on FFN in the deluge, but I deleted those on sight and thus didn't snark them here. While I could always reply directly on AO3 I didn't think it was worth my time.

I'm also unsure if the anon is indeed a Tumblrette, if only because I didn't see the typical buzzwords being flung around (you know, "marginalized," "identity erasure," "internalized muh soggy knees" etc.) I personally just think they're an immature brat who's triggered by someone liking different characters or ships; you see a lot of those in larger fandoms, and they usually overlap with newbie Suethors. I remember years ago before I ragequit the Naruto fandom that a Sasuke fangirl absolutely flipped out at me for daring not only to dislike him, but for daring not to find him sexy. Granted, I was a dumbass and reacted like an idiot at the time, but I think this anon is similar to that fangirl, not necessarily an SJW. (And I maintain that Sasuke has not ever been and will never be hot.)

Love the Harlequin parody, though you forgot a couple things. You forgot to mention that she was totally the purest pure virgin to ever virgin while he'd had many lovers before--specifically, nearly every female Mahjarrat ever--but none of them were his Twoo Wuv and thus were not special like she is. (My annoyance with that Harlequin trope is half the reason why I stressed that she wasn't a virgin--the other reason being that logically speaking, she wouldn't have been able to handle him if she were one, unless maaaaybe if he remained in human form the first time.) He should've also bound her with magic and demanded her to do as he asked while she struggled futilely--and then ultimately realized that she was okay with it in the end because he was hawt.

Of course, now I feel bad for poor Julian and want to make him a proper character, heh! No reason the duke can't have a kid.

The pro-Godless fic was called Ariane and I, though I think it may have been pulled from FFN. The male protagonist/narrator basically agreed with everything Guthix told him--with Ariane agreeing with all that as well--and got upset when Ozan said hanging around the desert bandits had encouraged him to convert to Zarosianism. It was well-written enough, but I'd be lying if I said the pro-Godlessness didn't annoy me. Likewise, I'm sure some sane fans would be irked by Jaina's Zarosianism because they just don't like Zaros.

Gonna continue my reply below...

[azralibrarian.livejournal.com]

...by the way, as far as the screencaps go, you could just copy-paste parts of the text in bold-type. Less bulky, and no sizing issues.

You don't know cringe, sweetheart. You merely adopted the cringe. I was born in it,

I haven't even seen the true depths of cringe, and even I was able to list more cringeworthy examples. I could've also brought up badfic classics like My Inner Life, Agony in Pink, or Celebrian--hell, even Hogwarts Exposed. (I still don't think I could get through that even with the spork!) Hmmm, My Inner Life might be a bad example because it's gut-bustingly hilarious in its badness... okay, no, it still has the tiger sex and the bonding ceremony. *shudders*

In any case, I understand that I'm really, really, really tame. Hardcore stuff scares me--you probably noticed that I wouldn't even describe bits or fluids. (Especially not fluids, those are gross.)

The in-text evidence you highlighted reinforces the point I was making--that he actually bothered to show concern for her and her wishes, and that she very clearly consented. That doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to Twilight, 50SoG, or any Harlequin Romance I know of. When did Gaston Hellspawn Bedbug ever even pretend to care what Anamoron wanted? When did Anamoron ever consent, and I don't mean her Inner Gawdess squeeing over Gaston's looks? And, like I pointed out, when did Bella or Edturd ever respect the other's wishes?

Now I know why they didn't come to DeviantART, they didn't want you responding and stumping them with facts. That's why they're being such cowards and staying anonymous, they know on some level deep down that their arguments were weak, so they don't dare to say it it on a signed in account, where they can easily be proven wrong and everyone would see it

I do indeed suspect that this anon was too cowardly to leave signed reviews. Pity, if they'd been brave enough to leave signed reviews, I couldn't just nuke 'em from orbit--and I am still leaning more towards just deleting the comments now that I've snarked 'em, because the anon is clearly allergic to logic and reason and I don't want to get into a big argument. But that's just me...

[deathnoteuser07.livejournal.com]

Maybe she didn't use buzzwords, but I still think she's rather SJW-y; an SJW sympathizer at the very least. Look at how salty she got when she thought Jaina was "herp derp an object," SJWs throw a fit when they think women are treated like objects (and they also have weird, inconsistent definitions of what constitutes "objectification"), even though there's no evidence of it whatsoever.

Look at how she reacted when Jaina dared to show some kind of weakness because she was a person and not a mouthpiece for the reviewer's PC agenda, and look at the salt at the idea of Jaina being a "stepford smiler housewife. It's as I've said before, SJWs have a specific set of...guidelines on how they expect everyone to act, if you don't fall into that category, SJWs get all salty. Just look at how they react to say...traditionalist women who are against feminism, they bash them so hard you forget these are the people who say they're all about empowering women. Look at how they react to say...gay conservatives like Milo who said he had an easier time coming out as gay than coming out as conservative.

Sorry, I didn't mean for the conversation to become political like this, but what I think that what I see here is what I've described about SJWs. They expected a female character to be an Empowered Womyn™ like Taurihell and MaRey Sue, the kind that would shove "muh gril power" down your throat 24/7, the kind that never showed any weaknesses, the kind that fit their PC narrative, and when they didn't get it, they raged. In my opinion, that's what's happening.

And I maintain that Sasuke has not ever been and will never be hot.

Above average at best, y'know when he's drawn as a bishie in fanart, in the actual manga? Meh...

You forgot to mention that she was totally the purest pure virgin to ever virgin.

Whoops, I thought that was made obvious when I said she was a Proper Lady from a noble family in a medieval setting.

Oh well...

He should've also bound her with magic and demanded her to do as he asked while she struggled futilely--and then ultimately realized that she was okay with it in the end because he was hawt.

Oh yess...that's what happened after he took her.

Of course, now I feel bad for poor Julian and want to make him a proper character, heh! No reason the duke can't have a kid.

Perhaps he could be included in one of your fics? Perhaps in a cameo?

I think it may have been pulled from FFN.

It is unfortunately. I did a search and I specifically had the Ariane filter on.

What a shame, I would've wanted to see it.

[deathnoteuser07.livejournal.com]

you probably noticed that I wouldn't even describe bits or fluids. (Especially not fluids, those are gross.)

Oh...I thought that was because DeviantART didn't allow descriptions of fluids.

That doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to Twilight, 50SoG, or any Harlequin Romance I know of.

Exactly!

SJWs BTFO!

I am still leaning more towards just deleting the comments now that I've snarked 'em, because the anon is clearly allergic to logic and reason and I don't want to get into a big argument. But that's just me...

We all have different ways of dealing with SJWs...I'm merciless when it comes to them, because I think they've taken over everything--academia, mainstream media, entertainment, even how the government operates (I'm not exaggerating, the leader of my country picked a Cabinet that was 50% women did so not because they were qualified but because "muh current year"), I think it's about time, even long overdue that we pushed back against all this crazy.